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[kria]

I'm trying to find the site that told me the reasons for being able to apply and move to Sweden, so when I find it, I'll tell you. I'm double checking on what it said. From what you two are saying, I'm beginning to think I read it wrong, lol.

Oh, and Tooki, how do you edit your signature? I tried using the HTML code and adding a couple of Daisypath things, but I couldn't get it to work. It just continued to show the codes.

[Tooki]

Click settings at the top of the page, go to the left of that page and click on 'edit signature'.

The daisypath site will you give you a code for forums. Just copy that into the signature area. You don't need to fiddle around with it!

[kria]

Thank you!

[Tooki]

I wish I could jump over to UK for more time with him. He has work and school and this next week is a miracle in itself. I think for me, It is more important to meet up during the "away" time than to the extend the "together" time. If you don't have a EU passport and only a US one, then I think the Schengen is pretty hard set. They are what they are. After 90 days you have to go through the individual country's residence laws. Most are very strict. The entire EU has been hard hit with refugees and is in dire straits, they are not letting just anybody in now. The are now forced to allow all other EU's in and so they are being very hard knocks with anybody that is not EU. That being said, once you get married, you can use Article 8 and get in regardless of any of those laws.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articl...n_Human_Rights

They even have to waive all fees if you qualify.

I don't know about Western Europe, but there are hardly any refugees in the Baltics. But then why would a refugee want to move there?

[Hollandia]

I looked it up and noticed that the Netherlands doesn't offer the long term tourist visa (which most of the other EU states offer). My bad

No Biggie, just sucks.
They are getting hit especially hard with the asylum seeking refs. They have many jobless pouring in from the EU. The nationals are taking years to get their own jobs let alone letting me taking one there. The only good news is, if we marry, then I get the right to live and work there through the Article 8.

[Hollandia]

I don't know about Western Europe, but there are hardly any refugees in the Baltics. But then why would a refugee want to move there?

Because Dutch law gives them everything. They have exemptions from all requirements including all the fees. They are allowed to work and live there and have to pay no fines or fees to do it. Once in they can even get aid.... why would they not?

[Tooki]

No Biggie, just sucks.
They are getting hit especially hard with the asylum seeking refs. They have many jobless pouring in from the EU. The nationals are taking years to get their own jobs let alone letting me taking one there. The only good news is, if we marry, then I get the right to live and work there through the Article 8.

So I hear. And I've noticed that with Article 8 as well. I'll end up utilising that in the future. I find it funny how the EU is so tough on offering work visas, but they put in a clause that cannot prevent marrying an EU member state national and being offered unconditional work visas.

Because Dutch law gives them everything. They have exemptions from all requirements including all the fees. They are allowed to work and live there and have to pay no fines or fees to do it. Once in they can even get aid.... why would they not?

Australia is the same. I'm all for supporting refugees, but I ended up being turned for a job in favour of some refugees. That is a farce.

[kria]

Okay, I'm not crazy. It does state that for people who want to live in Sweden can live with a close relative. Close relatives consist of:
-your wife, husband, registered partner or common-law spouse
-a person whom you plan to marry or cohabit with
-your parents
-your children.

We both agreed that we (a.k.a. I) would fall under the second one, a person whom you plan to marry or cohabit with.

[Tooki]

Okay, I'm not crazy. It does state that for people who want to live in Sweden can live with a close relative. Close relatives consist of:
-your wife, husband, registered partner or common-law spouse
-a person whom you plan to marry or cohabit with
-your parents
-your children.

We both agreed that we (a.k.a. I) would fall under the second one, a person whom you plan to marry or cohabit with.

That should work out!

[kria]

Heck yeah it should! -fist pumps into the air-

[Hollandia]

So I hear. And I've noticed that with Article 8 as well. I'll end up utilising that in the future. I find it funny how the EU is so tough on offering work visas, but they put in a clause that cannot prevent marrying an EU member state national and being offered unconditional work visas.



Australia is the same. I'm all for supporting refugees, but I ended up being turned for a job in favour of some refugees. That is a farce.

Article 8 is the international law. It supersedes the individual country's laws.Thank God for that.

Forgive me, I hate to sound like a know-it-all, I just worked with laws and regulations for most of my life and this stuff is second nature. I also have found myself pulled into political debates one too many times and so that might drift in a bit from time to time too.

I understand the refs and the asylum seekers should be given rights, I just don't think that it should adversely affect the national citizens of the country or their loved ones. This does bring up the subject of politics. What else to do with them? If my SO wants his GF and possible future wife to live there with him then why can he not be allowed to do so? I have my own income to support myself, I would take nothing from them, I am willing to obtain my own health insurance. He pays taxes, why is he not allowed this right? How am I supposed to decide if this is the man for the rest of my life if you won't let me stay there for more than 3 months at a pop?

This is socialism and that is what I am agreeing to live under if I move there. I know that. How can politics not be a part of a LDR? Not so much for those in same countries but many like me are in totally different political environments. This is something you should research before you decide to give up your own country. I have. I would still do it in a heartbeat. I would suggest you are knowledgeable before you make that decision as well. Food for thought.

[Hollandia]

Okay, I'm not crazy. It does state that for people who want to live in Sweden can live with a close relative. Close relatives consist of:
-your wife, husband, registered partner or common-law spouse
-a person whom you plan to marry or cohabit with
-your parents
-your children.

We both agreed that we (a.k.a. I) would fall under the second one, a person whom you plan to marry or cohabit with.

I don't want to be a bummer, but read the fine print.
There are requirements for each reason.... you must get them from his immagration border control agency. They have the same thing in Holland, they call it "family formation". They also have stipulations you must meet. In Holland's case:

https://www.indklantdienstwijzer.nl/...ijfsvergunning

This is my harsh reality. It sounded much prettier on other sites. You have to get it from the actual agency.

[kria]

I understand the refs and the asylum seekers should be given rights, I just don't think that it should adversely affect the national citizens of the country or their loved ones. This does bring up the subject of politics. What else to do with them? If my SO wants his GF and possible future wife to live there with him then why can he not be allowed to do so? I have my own income to support myself, I would take nothing from them, I am willing to obtain my own health insurance. He pays taxes, why is he not allowed this right? How am I supposed to decide if this is the man for the rest of my life if you won't let me stay there for more than 3 months at a pop?

I completely agree. Why shouldn't he be allowed that right? It's only fair.

And, yes, I have thought about the political views, but, in all honesty, from what he has told me and what I have read, Sweden would be a breath of fresh air in my opinion.

[kria]

Oh, well, we will get the correct information when it's closer for me to move. I won't be moving for 2 years. At least, that's what we're aiming for. I guess we'll see what happens.

[Tooki]

Article 8 is the international law. It supersedes the individual country's laws.Thank God for that.

Forgive me, I hate to sound like a know-it-all, I just worked with laws and regulations for most of my life and this stuff is second nature. I also have found myself pulled into political debates one too many times and so that might drift in a bit from time to time too.

I understand the refs and the asylum seekers should be given rights, I just don't think that it should adversely affect the national citizens of the country or their loved ones. This does bring up the subject of politics. What else to do with them? If my SO wants his GF and possible future wife to live there with him then why can he not be allowed to do so? I have my own income to support myself, I would take nothing from them, I am willing to obtain my own health insurance. He pays taxes, why is he not allowed this right? How am I supposed to decide if this is the man for the rest of my life if you won't let me stay there for more than 3 months at a pop?

This is socialism and that is what I am agreeing to live under if I move there. I know that. How can politics not be a part of a LDR? Not so much for those in same countries but many like me are in totally different political environments. This is something you should research before you decide to give up your own country. I have. I would still do it in a heartbeat. I would suggest you are knowledgeable before you make that decision as well. Food for thought.

Phew indeed. Although the member states lost a lot of power when they signed up to the EU.

And if you come from a 'good country', I've found that it's not impossible to move internationally (Bar the US, but that's another topic). From my experience with Estonia, I could move there whenever I wanted to.

Being an Australia, I do have the advantage of getting a Working Holiday Visa in most of Western Europe and Scandinavia. And I do agree about looking into Sweden. I've learnt a lot about Estonia, and there are a few things that throw me off living there. Thank god politics have allowed my GF an easy access to Australia in case she does want to move here.