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    Give distance a try or break up (and if so, when)?

    Let me preface this post by saying that I've been in a long distance relationship before. I started dating my first serious boyfriend in high school at age 15 and we continued dating when we chose different colleges in MD and DE. We broke up when we were 20, halfway through our junior year, 4-6 months after he suggested we take a break. After 4-6 months of that break (my memory is hazy two years later) I had seen a handful of other people and couldn't imagine going back to being "settled" with him even though I loved him. I needed some crazy college years. I would never regret the time that I spent with him, but I do regret how being in that relationship held me back socially in college. I feel like I missed out on a lot and was not completely present until my senior year.

    Turns out I'm a bit of a serial dater. I accidentally dated a guy (long story, the moral being that you shouldn't be convinced to date someone) during that break period and that relationship ended before my senior year began. By September of my senior year, I was dating someone else that I'm still with today despite a break up last March. This is the relationship I want to focus on in this post. To clarify, I met this guy in August of 2013, started dating him in September, broke up in March, started hooking up again 2 weeks later (hey, it was college, I couldn't avoid him because we were in the same group of friends, and he lived down the street), and then more or less dated long distance all summer but weren't officially back together until this past fall.

    About the current long-distance situation: I live north of Baltimore and he lives about an hour and a half away in PA. Not that bad, you say, and you would be right, especially because we have friends we could visit frequently at a halfway point, except that he has strict Indian parents who don't let him out of the house often. Yes, he's 23 - almost 24. If he doesn't listen to them, his dad will kick him out, which he can't afford even though he has two good part time jobs. His family is important to him, so he would never let it get to that point anyway. I also live with my parents but I have a lot more freedom. I work full time and am moving out this summer.

    Since starting a LDR after graduating in May, we have seen each other about once a month. We text all the time and Skype occasionally. Usually we see each other when he can lie about what he's doing and visit my house for a few hours or visit our friends and stay the night. I have visited him at his house twice, but because his parents don't know about me I've only been able to do that when they're away. Considering the situation, I'd say that our LDR is going pretty well. We miss each other, but we deal with it well.

    Here's the tough part: he and his family are moving to California at the end of June. This move is a great opportunity for him to start getting his dream job. We talk about his job search but avoid discussing what's going to happen to us. The last time we talked about it is when I brought it up back in January. I told him that I didn't think I'd be able to date someone that far away and he said that he loves me, I'm important to him, and he wants to talk about it more before he leaves. He hasn't brought it up since and I try not to because I figure that conversation leads to me breaking up with him. I want to take advantage of the time we have left together but I don't want to wait too long because I'm never sure when I'm going to see him. If I wait, maybe he'll assume we're still going to date when he moves and I'll have to break up with him over Skype or something worse.

    If everything goes as planned, we have a perfect visit set up next weekend: he visits my city to shadow a job, gets lunch with me, spends the night at my house when everyone else is away, we hang out with friends the next day and go to a friend's birthday party, he spends the night there, too. I don't remember the last time I spent two nights in a row with him so I'm very excited but trying not to count my eggs before they hatch. His parents and bad weather have ruined plans at the last minute before.

    Is this the right time to break up or should I wait and see if we can see each other one more time before the end of June? It's possible that we could get one more visit in but I'm not sure that I should count on it. I don't really want to ruin a perfect weekend, but we'll also have more time and privacy than we usually do to talk it out, cry, etc. We still have about 2 months and I've seen him once a month on average.

    To give you all more context, I've copied my reasoning for breaking up from a Word doc...I only made edits to explain things.
    • I've done (a LDR) before, I said I'd never do it again because it's miserable and doesn't work
    • PA/MD is hard enough. I tried to end (this relationship) in the summer out of LDR frustration. California would be much worse.
    • We're still regaining the trust for a normal relationship. Definitely not enough for LD. (We both broke each other's trust, hence the break up last March. It takes a long time to get it back to normal and we're doing well but we still have issues very occasionally and those would be magnified by a LDR)
    • Sometimes I'm a needy, jealous, insecure person. too much to handle LD, probably annoying
    • You need end goals to make a LDR successful. I don't see a viable future with you. Your parents don't
      know about me, I have to go to grad school possibly anywhere, you might get settled in CA
    • Too early for a serious relationship, we should be seeing other people at 22/23
    • Very little chance of visiting because of money
    • I'd rather end it amicably here than fight from thousands of miles away

    Break up sooner rather than later because:
    • Less time to get even more attached to you
    • More time to adjust before the move

    On the other hand, waiting until June to break up means I'll be distracted by moving and will be immediately surrounded by friends to support me.
    Any advice? (Edited) Sorry if I sound jaded about LDRs. I don't want to offend you all when I say they're "miserable and don't work" - I just didn't want to change what I wrote for sincerity. I respect everyone that does it, but my experience with them has been difficult and ultimately unsuccessful.

    (edited) After rereading this it definitely sounds like I've made up my mind and it's more a question of when to break up, not if we should. I'm worried that I won't be able to stick to my reasons and that I'll agree to a LDR because I love him and I'm a romantic, chronic date-r. I'm afraid that I'll make the wrong decision no matter which choice I make. I know I need to learn to be independent, though.

    It's also semi-important to note that his British-Indian Muslim parents (who, again, don't know that he's dating anyone, let alone a white girl with a Catholic family) are currently setting his older brother up with a suitable young woman. I'm pretty sure they're going to try to "arrange marry" my boyfriend to an Indian girl in a few years and I don't want to deal with that if they still don't know about me at that point.

    If I DID agree to date him LD it would be under the condition that he tells his parents about me.
    Last edited by LizH; April 27, 2014, 10:08 AM.

    #2
    Break up with him as soon as possible. You obviously don't want a serious relationship, and you certainly don't want anything seriously long distance. I get that break ups aren't easy, but you are really just sort of stringing this guy along at this point...I have to admit, I'm one of those people who views dating as an ends to a means, which would be finding a good partner to share and build my life with, I don't see the point of going through the emotional drama and ups and downs if I can't genuinely see a good future with a guy. But that being said, I realize a lot of other 20 somethings don't share that view, and you seem to have a very different approach to this as well. This guy obviously has feelings for you, so giving him a fantastic weekend and then just ending it would probably be FAR more devastating than just telling him now so you don't keep giving some kind of false hope. Let me ask you this: What are your reasons/motives for waiting until after the weekend when you already have made up your mind? Is it so you can have some good memories to hold on to? Even though after you are going to blind side him with a break up and not only ruin that weekend for him, but probably cause some serious resentment for taking him on that roller coaster of emotion? Like I get it, you want a great weekend, you want to spend a good last couple days with him. But what about him? What would be best for him? Easier for him? I mean if you are the one who's going to end it, you kind of are wielding all the control and power while he probably thinks he can still convince you to give it a try. You sound like you've made up your mind. Let him go so he move on and start over in California fresh. If an LDR isn't for you, that's perfectly fine, no judgement here. But you have pretty much made up your mind that you don't want a serious relationship at your age, and he isn't the guy for you. Does he know that? You shouldn't keep him in the dark any longer, tell him the truth.
    Last edited by NerdyChick; April 27, 2014, 10:35 AM.
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      #3
      I totally agree with NerdyChick.
      Please let this guy go, it'll only hurt more the longer you leave it, and I think it's kind of harsh to almost use him for a good weekend with the intention to end it afterwards. Stuff like that isn't nice when there's real feelings involved. I've had something similar done in the past and I was devistated.
      Best of luck!

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        #4
        Thanks for responding! I also see serious relationships as a means to an end, which is why I'm pretty set on ending this one. It doesn't seem like it will work out. I didn't know that until pretty far into the relationship. I am a bit worried about stringing him along, but I think he's also stringing me along by not talking about it. He deflects whenever I bring up the subject and often tells me he wishes he had never told our friends that he's moving because he has to deal with them being sad before he goes. I assume he feels the same way about me.

        I think the best thing to do is to test the waters this weekend by starting the conversation and see where it goes. I don't think I'd be blindsiding him since he has known my thoughts since January and I've told him whenever I get upset about the thought of him moving. My reasoning for waiting is that we'd both be able to enjoy what little time we have left together and support each other through difficult moves. I'm hesitant to leave him when I know he has little support in CA besides his family, who he won't be able to talk to about the break up. We have friends in CA but they are in LA, not San Diego, where he is moving.
        Last edited by LizH; April 27, 2014, 11:04 AM.

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          #5
          Age is a bad reason to break up (and you are getting older by the year). Money is a reason to postphone visiting, not to break up. Spend time with him and then make up your mind.
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            #6
            Originally posted by LizH View Post
            Let me preface this post by saying that I've been in a long distance relationship before. I started dating my first serious boyfriend in high school at age 15 and we continued dating when we chose different colleges in MD and DE. We broke up when we were 20, halfway through our junior year, 4-6 months after he suggested we take a break. After 4-6 months of that break (my memory is hazy two years later) I had seen a handful of other people and couldn't imagine going back to being "settled" with him even though I loved him. I needed some crazy college years. I would never regret the time that I spent with him, but I do regret how being in that relationship held me back socially in college. I feel like I missed out on a lot and was not completely present until my senior year.

            Turns out I'm a bit of a serial dater. I accidentally dated a guy (long story, the moral being that you shouldn't be convinced to date someone) during that break period and that relationship ended before my senior year began. By September of my senior year, I was dating someone else that I'm still with today despite a break up last March. This is the relationship I want to focus on in this post. To clarify, I met this guy in August of 2013, started dating him in September, broke up in March, started hooking up again 2 weeks later (hey, it was college, I couldn't avoid him because we were in the same group of friends, and he lived down the street), and then more or less dated long distance all summer but weren't officially back together until this past fall.

            About the current long-distance situation: I live north of Baltimore and he lives about an hour and a half away in PA. Not that bad, you say, and you would be right, especially because we have friends we could visit frequently at a halfway point, except that he has strict Indian parents who don't let him out of the house often. Yes, he's 23 - almost 24. If he doesn't listen to them, his dad will kick him out, which he can't afford even though he has two good part time jobs. His family is important to him, so he would never let it get to that point anyway. I also live with my parents but I have a lot more freedom. I work full time and am moving out this summer.

            Since starting a LDR after graduating in May, we have seen each other about once a month. We text all the time and Skype occasionally. Usually we see each other when he can lie about what he's doing and visit my house for a few hours or visit our friends and stay the night. I have visited him at his house twice, but because his parents don't know about me I've only been able to do that when they're away. Considering the situation, I'd say that our LDR is going pretty well. We miss each other, but we deal with it well.

            Here's the tough part: he and his family are moving to California at the end of June. This move is a great opportunity for him to start getting his dream job. We talk about his job search but avoid discussing what's going to happen to us. The last time we talked about it is when I brought it up back in January. I told him that I didn't think I'd be able to date someone that far away and he said that he loves me, I'm important to him, and he wants to talk about it more before he leaves. He hasn't brought it up since and I try not to because I figure that conversation leads to me breaking up with him. I want to take advantage of the time we have left together but I don't want to wait too long because I'm never sure when I'm going to see him. If I wait, maybe he'll assume we're still going to date when he moves and I'll have to break up with him over Skype or something worse.

            If everything goes as planned, we have a perfect visit set up next weekend: he visits my city to shadow a job, gets lunch with me, spends the night at my house when everyone else is away, we hang out with friends the next day and go to a friend's birthday party, he spends the night there, too. I don't remember the last time I spent two nights in a row with him so I'm very excited but trying not to count my eggs before they hatch. His parents and bad weather have ruined plans at the last minute before.

            Is this the right time to break up or should I wait and see if we can see each other one more time before the end of June? It's possible that we could get one more visit in but I'm not sure that I should count on it. I don't really want to ruin a perfect weekend, but we'll also have more time and privacy than we usually do to talk it out, cry, etc. We still have about 2 months and I've seen him once a month on average.

            To give you all more context, I've copied my reasoning for breaking up from a Word doc...I only made edits to explain things.


            Any advice? (Edited) Sorry if I sound jaded about LDRs. I don't want to offend you all when I say they're "miserable and don't work" - I just didn't want to change what I wrote for sincerity. I respect everyone that does it, but my experience with them has been difficult and ultimately unsuccessful.

            (edited) After rereading this it definitely sounds like I've made up my mind and it's more a question of when to break up, not if we should. I'm worried that I won't be able to stick to my reasons and that I'll agree to a LDR because I love him and I'm a romantic, chronic date-r. I'm afraid that I'll make the wrong decision no matter which choice I make. I know I need to learn to be independent, though.

            It's also semi-important to note that his British-Indian Muslim parents (who, again, don't know that he's dating anyone, let alone a white girl with a Catholic family) are currently setting his older brother up with a suitable young woman. I'm pretty sure they're going to try to "arrange marry" my boyfriend to an Indian girl in a few years and I don't want to deal with that if they still don't know about me at that point.

            If I DID agree to date him LD it would be under the condition that he tells his parents about me.
            It looks like you have already made up your mind. So there's no point in having a special weekend visit, and getting his hopes up. Get it over with, so you can both move on. Not everyone wants or can handle an LDR, and you have made it clear, to us anyway, that you are one who doesn't. Have you made it clear to him, that it isn't him, it's you, and the fact that you don't want an open-ended LDR? Don't play him, or string him along, be honest with him.


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              #7
              The sooner you bite the bullet, the better, in my opinion. The question isn't if you are going to break up, but when. Why not move on and enjoy all that life has to offer. It sounds like you are already stressed with the situation, due to his living situation as well as the upcoming changes in both of your lives. And honestly, it doesn't seem like you would be happy to stick with him longer. Maybe do your best to stay friends with him (I know that doesn't always work out). You can spend time together and have fun, and even hook up if that's what you want - like you said, you're young (just be smart about it, obviously ). I really wish you the best. Keep following your goals and focus on getting your master's if that's what you want! Good luck to you!

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                #8
                Personally I'd say break up since you've already made up your mind about ending it. But, you could let him decide, if you're VERY honest.

                You could tell him, hey look.. we need to talk. We're going to be done when you move. I love you, but I can't do the LDR, and I'd like to date around a bit anyway. So, we can keep dating casually knowing there's an end date, or we can just be friends.

                The only thing is, if he's more attached, chances are he'll want to cling and keep dating and hope that you'll change your mind.

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                  #9
                  Update: I talked to him soon after I posted my question. I couldn't bring myself to talk about it when we were alone at my house because I didn't want to ruin the weekend, so it hung in the air until our friends left us alone while they went out to brunch. I explained all my reasoning for breaking up and cried a bunch/explained I didn't want to break up but it didn't seem like it would work out...and he just convinced me it would be okay, we should try it and see what happens. I don't really know how it happened. It’s been over a month since this talk so I don’t remember all the details, but I do remember saying, “but I have all these logical reasons for breaking up with you!” and he simply told me, “well, don’t.” And then he kissed me and I felt like I was in some millennial romantic-comedy.

                  He’s been in California for almost 3 weeks and while it’s frustrating, we've been doing pretty well. I’m not upset that we didn’t break up at all but I’m still wary about our future. The 3 hour time difference is the worst. I sent him a gift via snail mail for his birthday on 6/28 (his second weekend out there) and learned it takes 7 business days for mail to get there (i.e. today)! I have to plan ahead more in the future…

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                    #10
                    I have a problem with the comment about LDR's never work. My SO is from another country. We made it work through time zones(6 hours) and 3800 miles and immigration. We have made the decision that although not 'closed" yet officially we don't plan on parting again. We have been CD since December and planning a wedding later in this year or early next year. I went through hell and jumped planes and cried over Skype and damn near went bankrupt and yes it sucked, but after 3 years it did WORK.

                    If you want it to work then you need to stop dwelling on the negative and think only of positive. There are plenty of success stories on LFAD so it is wrong to say that LDRs do not work. Also, find a way to meet in the middle sometimes. a 3 hour plane ride each way or 1/2 days drive is doable if you save up for it is much better than a 6 hour plane ride or a full days drive, search around and Airbnb and couchsurfers.com offer cheap places to crash where you meet up.
                    "Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. "
                    Benjamin Franklin

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                      #11
                      Hi Hollandia,
                      I didn't mean to offend people when I said that LDRs never work. I meant that in my experience they have not worked and that I'm now jaded. My last LDR was with my high school sweetheart and first love who I trusted more than my current boyfriend. I was very nervous going into this one knowing we'd have more problems to work through, especially since my last LDR had so few problems and STILL didn't work out. Of course there are plenty of people for whom LDRs can be successful! I'm glad yours was.

                      We do plan on meeting in the middle when he finds a job. Right now I can't visit him because he lives with his parents (again, until he finds a job, and we're not sure when that will be) and they don't know/probably wouldn't approve of him dating me. Thanks for commenting.

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                        #12
                        NP. Really any relationship can fail. If you love someone enough distance just makes it harder. It also can really help you to vet each other better and get to know each other more and really talk to each other.
                        "Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. "
                        Benjamin Franklin

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                          #13
                          I think that if you make that statement that all LDRs will fail and not work out just because you were in a bad one, any chance of you possibly being in great relationship, that just so happens to be LDR, is going to fail or you will never have the opportunity to experience it. Because, you've already got that mindset in you that it's going to fail, so you don't really bother to put in the effort. That's what this whole thread seems like to me.

                          If you want it to work, you need to let go of what happened to you in the past. That goes for any type of relationship: CD or LDR. If you want it to work, you need to put the effort in. That's not to say that you should be the only one putting the effort in, but it needs to be 50/50. That's how it is for me and my SO.

                          I'm curious as to why you said that you don't really see a future with this guy, yet you are still dating him. Has that changed since he moved?

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                            #14
                            I think some people can put up with a LDR and some just can't. That being said, I feel like a lot of people just don't give them much of a chance because the stereotypical way of looking at it is simply that- they don't work.

                            I had a LDR prior to the one I am in now and it ended badly- my then bf cheated on me. It wasn't because of the distance at all though, it was simply because he was a lowlife who cheated on all his girlfriends (I found that out later). I swore I would never be in a LDR again, and here I am. It is hard, but it is also the best relationship I've been in. My SO is everything I could ask and I figured out that he was worth the pain.
                            Also, there is a lot of cool things that come along with LDRs that you can't get much from a CD. Of course, vise versa.

                            I say give it a try, but do not string him along and waste his time. Good luck.

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