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    Newbie - 'Ldr'with old flame??

    Hello everyone,

    So happy to find a place were we can all support each other mutually!

    This is a long story so I'll try and condense it. Thanks for your patience in advance.

    16 years ago I lived in Colombia for part of my Spanish degree. I met a guy on the Caribbean. We were together for 7 months before I had to return home. Just before that I found out I was pregnant. He was going to leave his family and the town he loved to come and support me back in Uk. I'd had a Spanish boyfriend a few years before this who had followed me to UK. It was a disaster for our relationship as he got quite depressed and ended having an affair with Spanish ex. I was very anxious that history would repeat itself so I turned my Colombian guy down. I was so scared for him that he would hate it there too. I didn't have the baby. I was 25 and had grown up with a single mum who had my sister and I very young. She really struggled and I didn't want to bring a baby into an unhappy life. I also had my studies to finish. Anyway fast forward to 2009 he finds me on Facebook. We chat over the years sporadically. At the beginning of this year we start chatting properly on WhatsApp. I'm was about to leave a very toxic relationship. I move out with my 2 year old in April. (Old flame tells me at this point he moved to Europe 7 months after I left Colombia. To find me... He thought I lived in Madrid... I lived in London but had lived in Madrid before meeting him. He ended up having a son who is now 12. Him and mother are separated but he is a very involved father... Just with son. I have visited him twice..in June and August. Both times we slept together. I could sense a lot of care and support, protectiveness towards me both times. But.. Isn't there always a but...I initiate all the communication when we are at a distance. He just about always responds. I got anxious because of distance and as he seems to respond more to the intimate messaging.. I asked him if that's all he wants. He said that the distance was making things very complicated and asked me my thoughts. I said 'but is it just the distance' . He said 'our kids'. I said ' and if we closed the distance' and he answered 'what do you think? I missed that message. I started talking about how modern technology closed the gap somewhat. He gave me a thumbs up and said he was exhausted after work. This was midnight in Madrid. Could we chat more next day. He didn't bring it up again. Anyway I got a big tax refund last week and suggested a visit. This was his response in Spanish. 'Julie I'm having to work a lot of hours at the moment and we couldn't see each other well, I'll let you know OK.' the I sent him a video saying I understood. I he said I looked really beautiful in the video. We chatted later and I asked him what he liked about me.. (distance making me very unsure about his feelings) he said a few things about my body.. I said what about me.. He said 'how gentle and delicate and how very affectionate that I was. He also sent me a lovely, and sweet and romantic song when I asked him to send me one he liked. Since then he has chatted to me about my daughters health while watching football with his son(!!??) and chatted to me while he was feeling very sick last night.(???) Phew sorry for length of this! Soon thoughts anyone please.. Is there hope for us? I have told him I would consider moving there but we need more time together first..
    Oh one last thing he is waiting for a call for back surgery.. Is this maybe part of reason he doesn't visit me?
    I have also offered to go and support himafter surgery, and he said thank you very much for Julie, I I'll let you know.

    Thanks again for reading!

    Julie
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    #2
    Welcome to LFAD.

    Only he can tell you why he isn't visiting or why he really isn't ready to make that commitment to a relationship. It sounds like he is being cautious and has a lot of things going on for him personally. A relationship may be the last thing on his mind right now.

    You can tell him your feeings and what you want but I wouldn't go on about it a lot. Maybe tell him "I am hoping _____ for us and I would like to see _______ happen between us. Now you know how I feel and I'm not going to bring it up again unless how I feel about these things changes or you tell me it's not what you want." Then give yourself a personal time limit about how long you will wait for any sort of decision from him. You don't want to put in a lot of time with someone who doesn't have the same goals as you but you want to give him a chance.
    To those who dream, nothing is ever far away.

    ​Distance is to love as wind is to fire. It blows out the little ones and fans the big ones.

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      #3
      Hi R&R,
      Thank you for your valuable and objective advice. He likes to take his time with things in general. He doesn't like to rush. Added to the fact that I let him down years ago, he would definitely want to take this slowly if he was interested still. It's hard for me as I get caught up in my feelings a lot and can rush things in relationships. He actually said that he was drawn to and struggled with that side of me. I did reveal my feelings a couple of weeks back after the discussion about the distance. I said I'd like to see him for longer to see if there was a future for us. To visit with my daughter but to stay in the large city nearby. ( He shares a house with 3 guys. The economic situation in Spain is horrendous.Lots of unemployment. He got a new job at DHL in July after my visit and in past few weeks has had to do extra hours) Another interesting exchange we had was after my first visit in June when we had reunited. I messaged him ' how would you feel if my daughter and I lived near you' he replied ' would you come here' and I said 'yes if it was worth it' he asked me, 'why would you come here?' and scared of his reaction I didn't respond. I didn't want to scare him off too much!

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        #4
        By the way.. I love the quote you have up.To those who dream, nothing is ever far away:

        ​Distance is to love as wind is to fire. It blows out the little ones and fans the big ones.

        Would it be too much to send that to him?

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          #5
          Julie, Welcome to LFAD

          Both you n' he have a child from a prior relationship. So, Apart from his back surgery, the kids are above everything else.

          It is great that you n' he are chatting.

          But his visiting, and even your moving, is hampered by priorities.

          Yes, There is hope, as long as neither you or he pressures each other.

          First Visit: September 2016
          Second Visit: January 2017 (Her birthday)
          Third Visit: June 2018 (medical conference near her home)

          John 3:16
          For God so loved the world. That he gave his only begotten son. For whosoever believeth in him. Shall not perish but have eternal life
          John 4:12
          I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Jewlie41 View Post
            By the way.. I love the quote you have up.To those who dream, nothing is ever far away:

            ​Distance is to love as wind is to fire. It blows out the little ones and fans the big ones.

            Would it be too much to send that to him?
            Right now I would focus on rebuilding trust and friendship. You can tell him what you would like to see happen down the road but don't put pressure on him for something that may never be in the picture.
            To those who dream, nothing is ever far away.

            ​Distance is to love as wind is to fire. It blows out the little ones and fans the big ones.

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              #7
              Hi R&R the and Chris. Thanks for your guidance and support. I am trying my best to not pressure him, go with the flow and trust if it's meant to be it will be...Its just very hard though.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Jewlie41 View Post
                Hi R&R the and Chris. Thanks for your guidance and support. I am trying my best to not pressure him, go with the flow and trust if it's meant to be it will be...Its just very hard though.
                Your welcome.

                In one way, he is putting more pressure on you. Than you are on him. while you want him to visit. He wants' you to move. Granted he will be having back surgery, which would make moving there nice. But, The potential back surgery recovery could be long-term. So factor that into, how the two of you relate to each other.

                I am saying that from personal experience. Both, You, And he, will need to accept what happens during the surgery recovery. I was married for eight years, to a woman I never should have married in the first place. She never could accept, my 'pre-existing medical (physical)conditions'.

                First Visit: September 2016
                Second Visit: January 2017 (Her birthday)
                Third Visit: June 2018 (medical conference near her home)

                John 3:16
                For God so loved the world. That he gave his only begotten son. For whosoever believeth in him. Shall not perish but have eternal life
                John 4:12
                I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

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                  #9
                  Hi Chris516,

                  Thanks again for your support and advice. He hasn't asked me to move there, I offered to if after spending more time together it was the right thing to do. The back surgery will be for a herniated disc... Sounds like a bad case. I offered to go for a short visit to take care of him following surgery as he has no-one around who can fulfil that role. He said that specialist advised that this type of surgery had good results so he maybe OK but he said thanks and I'll let you know.

                  In terms of me putting pressure on him, after discussion with a good friend, I decided that I needed to define whether or not this is just something casual for him. So I sent him a video saying that it wasn't casual for me but if it was for him better to tell me now. I need to know where I stand to stay strong as a single mother. I said if it was just a fling I wouldn't be visiting him anymore. I can't afford it financially or emotionally.

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                    #10
                    I sent him a video to try and determine, at least, if this was more than casual for him. I said I was spending a lot of money on visiting if this was just casual for him. I heard nothing for 4 days. I sent him another one saying that I felt I was hasty in not allowing him to come to UK with me all those years ago. That I had made a mistake. He then blocked me on WhatsApp. I said on Facebook, that I just needed a simple message saying it's casual. That if it was he wouldn't lose my friendship but that he was damaging it by blocking me. He unblocked me very quickly. I called him the day after. He picked up phone very quickly. It was just a friendly chat as I was looking after 2 kids at time. Anyway after a week of no response to my question about direction of relationship, I emailed him and said that if I hadnt got a response in another week I will assume it's casual. Today is end of week. Very sad.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Jewlie41 View Post
                      I sent him a video to try and determine, at least, if this was more than casual for him. I said I was spending a lot of money on visiting if this was just casual for him. I heard nothing for 4 days. I sent him another one saying that I felt I was hasty in not allowing him to come to UK with me all those years ago. That I had made a mistake. He then blocked me on WhatsApp. I said on Facebook, that I just needed a simple message saying it's casual. That if it was he wouldn't lose my friendship but that he was damaging it by blocking me. He unblocked me very quickly. I called him the day after. He picked up phone very quickly. It was just a friendly chat as I was looking after 2 kids at time. Anyway after a week of no response to my question about direction of relationship, I emailed him and said that if I hadnt got a response in another week I will assume it's casual. Today is end of week. Very sad.
                      You gave him an ultimatum and he made his choice, now you need to respect that. Its hard to turn back the clock and live in the past with all the "I wish... And we should have... But it is better now then after moving etc. Let him be jus friends if he wants, or nothing if that's what you want. He did block you. You are starting to sound pushy and needy sending all those texts about should haves..
                      I am in a relationship with a man I met and dated 15 years ago. We are lucky that it works and the time is right. We probably would not have made it back then as we were in different places in our lives. We met up, became friends again, talked about the past- neither of us had any bad feelings- and now we are together.

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                        #12
                        Thank you for you input sasad. Well within the week he had to respond he just has. He said he'd like to chat after work tonight.
                        When you met up with your guy after 15 years were you living at a distance?

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                          #13
                          Sort of... we were on opposite side of the state.. It was a 2 to 3 hour drive from where I live, he was moving to Florida (and did) so we are now almost 100 miles apart..

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                            #14
                            How often did you see each other? I am a 7 hour journey away from him. I live in UK and he's in Spain. I've seen him once since our reunion in Spain in June. I've not seen him now for 2.5 months.

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                              #15
                              We saw each other every Wednesday before he moved. We went 3 months before seeing each other- my choice as I was getting my life and son settled. After that meet, we decided no longer than 3 month. That was May ( he came up for a weekend as I wanted to end things, he stayed in a hotel) I went to him in July and stayed a week. It was amazing. He came up in October and we talked and decided no longer tan 30 days. Now we see each other as often as we can afford it . But we worked at this relationship. We set down basic rules, boundaries' and what are break point was. He and my son get along absolutely wonderfully, so that always helps.

                              It was him that pushed me for a commitment. I was just scared of being hurt.

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