Denied fiancee visa

[lucybelle]

That's what I thought that it didn't sound right ... but the requirement right now says he has to make 18.600k a year well he falls short by about 2700£, he has in his bank account 14k, in savings 4k but bcus he doesn't make the 18,600k a year he has to make up for that in savings plus id have to stay for 2 1/2 years then id have to re apply after that for another 2 1/2 years I have to be there a full 5 years before i can even think about applying for citizenship .... so the math problem she had on my refusal letter was this

Gah, I'm sorry to hear that What the UK government is doing right now makes me want to leave the country for good, to be honest.

I'm sorry, but I find it perfectly reasonable. I had a friends recently move to the USA with her foreign husband and their kid and they had all sorts of money issues when they first moved. She put up a money donating site and everything, complaining about how her husband couldn't get a job. Well guess what, that's why the freaking make you prove how much you're going to make. It's not easy to get a job and they want to make sure you don't show up in the USA and apply for welfare. The government doesn't want to support you and your fiance. They want you to support yourselves. Of course there's a money aspect.

For visas to the USA you can get a sponsor. Is that a possibility in the UK?

Is moving to/getting married in the US an option? I know that they don't have any kind of monetary requirements for the spousal visa although you do need to fork out a couple thousand for the application, medical checks, police check etc.

CR1 definitely has a monetary aspect. The US citizen has to make 125% above the poverty line or have 3xs that in savings. That's what it sounds like the OP is referring to. That she must have 3xs the amount in savings IF the petitioner doesn't make over a certain amount per year. Which quite frankly I think is perfectly acceptable to ask for.

[MeganK]

Sorry to hear.

How much of the financial numbers did you know before you submitted your application MeganK?

Well on the website it just said we needed 16k in savings which is what we have ... but as I said to the other girl bcus he doesn't make the 19k a year he has to make up for that in savings and its x by the 2.5 yrs id have to be there before I could apply again so that comes to 23k... we thought we had researched everything and knew exactly what we needed ... but the ukba website the way they word stuff makes no sense and its not all in one place ... its scattered everywhere

[MeganK]

There is a lot of people that don't make that much money in the UK. Up until a year ago my SO and I were making half that and we were able to afford a flat, go out on the weekends and have food in the fridge. It isn't that expensive, unless you are looking at the £1000/week flats in London.


Are you sure the fiance visa requires you have that much in savings? For my unmarried partner visa that I am applying for it only requires that your sponsor makes a certain amount of money per year and has been at the job for 6 months and over. I just looked and he needs to make over £18,000.

Ya that's true ... but if he doesn't make over 18,600 he has to make up for it in savings which is what she told us in our refusal letter
it says it all right here .... read this link it will tell u ... https://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/s...df?view=Binary


that's what we thought it we just needed that a year or just 16k savings but theyu only took in to affect the momney that had been there for 6 mnths which was only 11k so she pretty much ingored about 2k which is stupid all bcus it wasn't there for 6 mnths.

[MeganK]

I'm sorry, but I find it perfectly reasonable. I had a friends recently move to the USA with her foreign husband and their kid and they had all sorts of money issues when they first moved. She put up a money donating site and everything, complaining about how her husband couldn't get a job. Well guess what, that's why the freaking make you prove how much you're going to make. It's not easy to get a job and they want to make sure you don't show up in the USA and apply for welfare. The government doesn't want to support you and your fiance. They want you to support yourselves. Of course there's a money aspect.

For visas to the USA you can get a sponsor. Is that a possibility in the UK?



CR1 definitely has a monetary aspect. The US citizen has to make 125% above the poverty line or have 3xs that in savings. That's what it sounds like the OP is referring to. That she must have 3xs the amount in savings IF the petitioner doesn't make over a certain amount per year. Which quite frankly I think is perfectly acceptable to ask for.

Well, I think youre wrong I don't find it acceptable and no one would and NO we cant use a co sponsor they took that away when they changed the laws july 2012 before there was NO money requirement and we could use a co spsonor.
That's your opinion you think its reasonable but its not and we have plenty of money saved up they just want more ...
Its not like im that hard to take care of

[lucybelle]

Well, I think youre wrong I don't find it acceptable and no one would and NO we cant use a co sponsor they took that away when they changed the laws july 2012 before there was NO money requirement and we could use a co spsonor.
That's your opinion you think its reasonable but its not and we have plenty of money saved up they just want more ...
Its not like im that hard to take care of

Well guess what, it doesn't matter what you think or what I think. You got denied because you didn't meet the financial requirements put into place by the country you want to immigrate to. Cry me a river. Look, visas suck. I know a lot about how much they suck. But you can't whine about being denied because you didn't meet the requirements!

Every person on the planet is expensive to take care of. Especially in a place that has a high cost of living like the UK. That's why they have a minimum. That's why you have to prove you have enough to take care of two people. Which obviously your SO doesn't have.

[kayla_622]

I think like others said I think you should maybe consider getting married somewhere else. It may make things easier. I had a friend who was from the UK and was with an American girl. They got married in the states and he went back to the UK for about 2 years (with visits inbetween to the states). During the 2 years they worked on the visa to get him over the states. Could you two do the same? It might not be ideal but you two could get married and he could get a visa to stay over here for few years which would allow you two to stay together until you were able to go back to his home country.


Really just throwing ideas out there. I barely know anything about visas but, I hope I could at least help a little bit.

[Moon]

I'm sorry, hon, but lucybelle is right. I hate that you were denied your visa, and it really does suck, but you need to step back and look at the situation logically, and not emotionally. There are a hell of a lot of people trying to get into countries like the UK, US, Canada, Australia, etc,. not always legitimately. They become a serious strain on an already stretched taxbase, and these countries HAVE to make these rules. They cannot consider things like wants and love, they need to protect themselves and the citizens they already have. They aren't trying to keep you apart, this isn't personal, it's the law. Of course it isn't easy to emigrate, it's that way on purpose, and it's that way for everyone. The country you want to move to has to make very sure you won't end up on their welfare rolls, they aren't willing to pay your way, and that makes sense. Nobody is plotting against you personally, entry requirements are what they are and you have to meet them, regardless of being in love, that goes for every one of us who chooses to be in an international LDR. It might not seem fair from a personal standpoint, but you need to understand why these rules are there.

That said, I cannot stand to hear that you'd give up on your relationship for something as small as another year. You're only 21, you have time, why give up so easily? Are you transferring money to him yourself? You should be. Get that bank account to where it needs to be, and let it sit for six short months. Work extra, do odd jobs, but get the money. Yeah, it's a lot, but is it really so much that you find it worth more than moving? I know the denial was devastating, so grieve for a few days, then snap out of it and get a plan figured out. You can do this.

[digitalfever]

Getting married then getting the married partner visa doesnt change the amount of money you need. It's the same for both visa's.


I've owned a home and had holidays and such on £24,000 a year, and i live in Birmingham, the UK's second city. If you honestly think you'd need 50k to have a good life here you must have really expensive tastes!! Lol

There is a lot of people that don't make that much money in the UK. Up until a year ago my SO and I were making half that and we were able to afford a flat, go out on the weekends and have food in the fridge. It isn't that expensive, unless you are looking at the £1000/week flats in London.


Are you sure the fiance visa requires you have that much in savings? For my unmarried partner visa that I am applying for it only requires that your sponsor makes a certain amount of money per year and has been at the job for 6 months and over. I just looked and he needs to make over £18,000.

I live in SW London and I think London is crazy expensive. It's not that I super expensive tastes I just think if your coming to a country you should be able to take care of yourself. If she can't prove that she can then her visa should be denied. I had to save up for my visa and so should she.

However, I don't think 50k is a lot especially if your in a career. Graduate jobs in London start between 21-29k for your average position and are even higher for technical/specialised areas. So two people can easily pull in close to 50k.

Well, I think youre wrong I don't find it acceptable and no one would and NO we cant use a co sponsor they took that away when they changed the laws july 2012 before there was NO money requirement and we could use a co spsonor.
That's your opinion you think its reasonable but its not and we have plenty of money saved up they just want more ...
Its not like im that hard to take care of

I think you should meet the requirements then.

[MeganK]

Well guess what, it doesn't matter what you think or what I think. You got denied because you didn't meet the financial requirements put into place by the country you want to immigrate to. Cry me a river. Look, visas suck. I know a lot about how much they suck. But you can't whine about being denied because you didn't meet the requirements!

Every person on the planet is expensive to take care of. Especially in a place that has a high cost of living like the UK. That's why they have a minimum. That's why you have to prove you have enough to take care of two people. Which obviously your SO doesn't have.

Im not whining, I was letting ppl know I was denied we almost met the requirement we just misunderstood how much was needed.
if your gonna be a bitch about it then post on here, this is why I stopped getting on this site to begin wih bcsu most of u are all smartasses.

[Moon]

Im not whining, I was letting ppl know I was denied we almost met the requirement we just misunderstood how much was needed.
if your gonna be a bitch about it then post on here, this is why I stopped getting on this site to begin wih bcsu most of u are all smartasses.

Most of us are smartasses, huh? That's what you got from this thread? Well, all I can say to that is you're welcome to delete your account and leave, if you feel that way. Just because people try giving you a realistic view of your situation doesn't make them a bitch, even if you don't like it. smh.

[lucybelle]

Im not whining, I was letting ppl know I was denied we almost met the requirement we just misunderstood how much was needed.
if your gonna be a bitch about it then post on here, this is why I stopped getting on this site to begin wih bcsu most of u are all smartasses.

I was the only "bitch" in this entire thread. Everyone else was kind. That certainly does not qualify as "most".

Go ahead and leave and see how much sleep I lose over it.

[Kristin91]

I'm so sorry to hear that. I agree with lucybell and Moon though, you need to be able to support yourself.

[Tooki]

I asked about how much you knew Megan because although the laws are unfair, the UK Government isn't obligated to be fair. The conditions are spelt out to you, it's not like the Immigration Office decided to decline your application because they felt like it.

It sucks, life sucks. Next time you can make sure that you are well above the threshold.

[Hollandia]

Have you looked into the Article 8 exemption? It is listed in the NL IND immigration processes. If you could get a consultation from a UK attorney for a couple hundred euros, you might be surprised. To paraphrase it, it states the government does not have the right to infringe upon your right to your family life. You would have to be married for it to be applicable but it is something worth researching for sure.

Me and my SO also fall just short of required sufficient income. The kicker for us is, I own part of a business in USA and can help to support us. He is still in school part time and so falls about 140 eruos a month shy of what IND requires. They will not take any of my income into account and only look at the native dutch partner. We are not ready to marry and so for now, we deal. When we decide to marry, we will. If I can't get in after we get married we will assert the Article 8 to override the barriers the government has for me to reside with my spouse at that point.

Fiancee's don't always marry. Most goverment's will find it hard to prevent a married couple apart due to the international law of Article 8. If you are ready to marry, then marry. If not, then you really should not be using a fiancee visa. The longer you are married even if you have to reside apart while fighting it, the better.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articl...n_Human_Rights

[Tooki]

That won't work Hollandia. Part 2. will be where the the Government can say that Megan's SO doesn't fulfill the financial sponsorship requirement, so the government is not obligated to let her SO into the country.

"There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country"

The Government could say that because her SO doesn't fulfill the sponsorship requirements, Megan could become an economic burden.

I'm not a lawyer but my (very very limited) law experience tells me that if you satisfy the criteria and it cannot be proven otherwise, a country CANNOT decline an application for a spousal visa. That does not mean that every signatory country has to let in any spouse married to an applicable citizen.

I also don't recommend going down this route because Megan & her SO would be better off just saving the extra money. It will take more than 6 months for a potential court case to be settled.