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    How Soon Is Too Soon?

    Our timeline is as follows:

    Summer visit: 1.5-2 months long
    Either 3 week Christmas visit or 2 week visit over spring break
    Working holiday: Summer 2013, departing in either July or August

    After that? We're not sure.

    Many of you probably remember my post about having no "real" future plan according to a friend of mine, and how neither my boyfriend nor I are making any real plans beyond my working holiday. We know that I plan on coming out after graduation. We know that we plan on living together throughout the duration of that time. We know that even though a year (or two) is the general honeymoon period and that we'd both like to have longer than a year to "test drive" our close-distance compatibility, a year is what we've got to see if we can make a serious relationship work when having to handle work/school, rent, keeping the house, making sure his brother is cared for, etc. We both have confidence and feel secure in our relationship, but both of us believe in living together before marriage. Living together by way of a working holiday visa is also a way of closing the distance without having to rely on marriage, which neither of us are ready for.

    Now, he and I will definitely have a lot to consider as far as our future goes when (or if) it comes to deciding what happens after the working holiday. I for sure have grad school and though his brother will be 18 and a legal adult, well, his brother will still only be 18. But we do know that ultimately, we will be applying for a K-1, as I have made it clear that though I would be willing to move, I would not be willing to move permanently. I could not do it based on my ties here, and it would not be practical given where my psychological licensing is going to be recognised (not even sure my degree would/will cut it over there, being an American earned degree). He's been aware of this since day one and though things change, this is one thing I'm uncertain ever completely will, even if I am able and willing to temporarily relocate. That being said, because of that, relocating to here is definitely in our future.

    Applying for the K-1 requires evidence of having met within two years in addition to having evidence of an ongoing relationship. My question is how soon is too soon to start compiling the evidence of that relationship? I have essentially put together a file where I can file everything away, starting from our visit in 2011 (this includes the flight itinerary, hotel reservations, pictures - though I'm aware only 2-5 are required/requested - etc.). I will also be making copies and keeping originals, where possible, of various documents on my working holiday proving that we have lived together. I have printed out copies of his itinerary and he has kept the boarding passes. We have also both kept envelopes sent, and both have extensive conversation history. I also have phone bills proving that I have texted and called the same number consistently for over a year. I am aware that I don't want to include every single thing but that I don't want to leave anything out, and I'm also aware to take longitudinal evidence from varying time frames as opposed to providing a ton of evidence from a single time frame, but let's say we applied in 2014 or 2015. Would evidence from 2011 even matter?

    I ask because, as this thread may betray, I easily become very hyperfixated and with that hyperfixation comes a very ritualistic compulsion that involves constant research to absorb new information, constant filing and re-filing, making sure everything's in its proper place, etc. The obsession eventually dies down, but the hyperfocusing can sometimes last months, and I don't particularly want to spend months putting together information from 2011 if 3-5+ years down the line, it's not going to matter what we did last summer. :P If it is going to matter, the obsession will still die down eventually, but at least I'll have a place to keep everything and it will all be organised and in one place so that I don't end up misplacing something important for one reason or another. I simply want to know if the "two year" restriction is really a restriction or if it's more of a minimum if/when you have proof of a relationship that's lasted 3+ years with one of those years having lived together.
    { Our Story on LFAD }


    Our Beginning
    Met online: February 2009
    Feelings confessed: December 2010
    Unofficially together since: January/February 2011
    Officially together since: 08 April 2011

    Our Story
    First meeting in person: 16 August - 14 September 2011
    Second visit: 17 March - 01 April 2012
    Third visit: 23 July - 13 September 2012
    Fourth visit: Looking at 23 March - 6 April 2013

    Our Happily Ever After
    to be continued...

    #2
    I honestly think you can't have too much information and evidence to show them. I submitted tons of stuff, emails, MSN conversations, photos, receipts, flight info...anything I could get my hands on. And you're doing good by starting all of that as time goes on - will save the hassle of conjuring it all up when the time comes. I think the 2-years is a guideline.

    By the way, I think it's amazing that you two have such a solid plan. I would have loved to just live together first before getting married but in our case, marriage seems to be the only option (and we're not getting any younger lol). I'm not saying I don't want to get married as I love this man with every fiber of my being and would do anything to be together, but it's such a huge step and we both realize that. Kudos to you!!

    Met: November 19, 2010
    Tim came to Texas: April 27, 2011
    Made it official: April 29, 2011
    Lori went to England: September 21, 2011
    Mini trip to Paris: September 22, 2011
    Tim popped the question: September 22, 2011
    K-1 Visa approved!: May 21, 2012
    Closed the distance!: July 26, 2012
    Got married: September 22, 2012

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      #3
      I'm pretty sure it's a minimum, but then I've never done K-1

      I do know though that when Obi and I applied for our visa we had to write out a history from the day we met online - which was in 04 (we applied for the visa in 2011). They wanted to know when we visited, what steps our relationship took, the works. They didn't ask for much proof though.

      The most important stuff will be dates (especially for visits)- you really only need one piece of evidence for each date - and proof of having lived together. If you can proove you have bought large things together, held a lease in both names or have a joint bank account/savings, that's in your best interest.

      I also wanted to mention something, that's not really related to your question, but I was thinking about it after something you said the other day.
      You had mentioned it makes more sense for him to move to you because he has less ties/family. This is not in any way a valid argument, and I'll explain why. I'm in the same boat as your SO - my parents arn't on the scene, and I really only have one sister to hold me in Oz, whereas Obi has a massive family. But simply put, my bond with my sister is stronger than what he has with his family members and most importantly - she needs me more then they need him. (Even though we're both adults and have been independant for many years) When I go away, she has no family at all. When Obi goes away, his family have plenty of other family there to turn to. See where I'm going with this?
      So yeah... I dunno why I'm bringing this up, I guess that I just really feel for your SO because I know what it's like to only have a sibling and nothing/no one else. I guess it's important for me to point out that having less ties doesn't make those ties weaker, or the move easier to make.
      Happily married to the little Canadian boy I never thought I'd meet in person

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        #4
        Thank you both.

        Captivated - I definitely feel very blessed to have the opportunity of being able to go on a working holiday and experience living together before having to commit to something so big as marriage. I completely get where you're coming from. If that were the way to do it, we'd do it, but I imagine we'd have reservations even if we do believe that we want to be married and living together permanently some day. I appreciate the assurance, though, that I'm not completely going overboard!

        Zephii - Wow, since you met? Was that on the actual form? Or for an interview? I know on the form for coming to the U.S., we're asked to list out the details of having met within the past two years in addition to providing evidence of an ongoing relationship, but the meeting within two years bit is what seems to be the important one. I do think we need to have definite proof of having lived together, other than having lived at the same address. I'm not sure how we'll work out that bit, as I know I need to open my own Irish bank account for my working holiday and on top of that, I'm not sure how we'll be working out rent/the lease (though I imagine I'll have to be listed as a tennant) etc. That's going to be the soonest hurdle to get over, I think.
        { Our Story on LFAD }


        Our Beginning
        Met online: February 2009
        Feelings confessed: December 2010
        Unofficially together since: January/February 2011
        Officially together since: 08 April 2011

        Our Story
        First meeting in person: 16 August - 14 September 2011
        Second visit: 17 March - 01 April 2012
        Third visit: 23 July - 13 September 2012
        Fourth visit: Looking at 23 March - 6 April 2013

        Our Happily Ever After
        to be continued...

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          #5
          I was going to reply earlier, but got distracted

          Anyways, you're not hyperfixated! You're excited! I don't think it's ever too early to start gathering stuff. I have all the electronic stuff stored on my computer, I've also saved a few of the envelopes/letters that have been sent to us while sharing an apartment. Come to find out, my SO has kept a log of everything he's done every day for the past 7 years. Plus, he's kept a record of what he's spent money on every day and a sum total for months and years. I think that'll be plenty evidence for us!

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            #6
            It was an attachment we needed to include when we submitted the aplication form (mine was around 6000 words long). We never had an interview.
            I don't know how things work in Ireland, but bills in both names always look good. I think yous will have more than enough evidence though. Better to have too much than not enough right?
            Happily married to the little Canadian boy I never thought I'd meet in person

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              #7
              @lucybelle - Nice! That would be helpful indeed! I have had so many computer issues. I'm finally learning to back up, back up, back up, but there's a lot in our history that's been lost. I can only hope that I have enough examples of electronic communication to count for something. D: We don't e-mail either, and I accidentally erased all our FB messages. He may still have ours on his account though, so... there is hope. LOL. But I suppose excited is a better term for it, even if we won't be thinking about this for 2 years, but 2 years isn't really all that long, which reignites the excitement all over again.

              @Zephii - Oh wow. I can imagine that was taxing. o.O We've known each other since 2009 and don't have all the proof of that... But awesome, thank you. I suppose I simply didn't know if this was a situation where you could be penalised for having too much, or if there was a "just right" to aim for.
              { Our Story on LFAD }


              Our Beginning
              Met online: February 2009
              Feelings confessed: December 2010
              Unofficially together since: January/February 2011
              Officially together since: 08 April 2011

              Our Story
              First meeting in person: 16 August - 14 September 2011
              Second visit: 17 March - 01 April 2012
              Third visit: 23 July - 13 September 2012
              Fourth visit: Looking at 23 March - 6 April 2013

              Our Happily Ever After
              to be continued...

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