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    Hi all. Happy to have found this sight. I am in a relationship with a man who is not only 10,000 miles away, but 15 years younger. It's a very long story, here's the short version. We met through our jobs 6 years ago. We were good friends and workmates first. I live in the US, he lived in the UK at the time and was in a 12 year relationship with 2 kids. They all moved to Australia about a year after we met. To make a long story short, we have kept in contact via email, phone and the last year or so, Skype. Our relationship has been more than friends for quite some time. They split up almost two years ago, not because of me. It wasn't an amicable split and he has been devastated financially and emotionally and is just now starting to feel normal again.

    It has been and still is like being on a roller coaster. We have strong feelings for each other that have sustained over all of the above. We haven't seen each other again since we met 6 years ago, for the above reasons. My feelings are, we have been through all of this for the last 6 years, I want to meet and see what happens. I am mostly about the feelings and love will conquer blah blah blah. He is more logical and pragmatic.

    I am in classes until October, and when my classes are over, I want to go see him. In my heart and in my gut I feel we would be very happy together. If it was up to me we would speak or email or IM or Skype every day. He won't let this happen. We have been through periods where we do, but he always pulls back when it gets very intense. Last night we had a Skype conversation. He is afraid of "the point of no return" which will happen after we are together face to face again. He said he is certain we will have fun, have sex (finally!), and connect on every level. He said until that point, he keeps me at a distance for his own sanity. He said if we get together and get past that point of no return, we will then be determined to be together, and that means one of us has to make significant sacrifices.

    I have said all along I would be willing to go to AUS, temporarily. He wouldn't consider (and he wouldn't be the man for me if he would) leaving his young children to be with me. However, he has always wanted to move to the US. In my fantasy we live in AUS for a few years then all of us eventually move to the US. The logistics of it, I don't know yet. What about his ex and the children's mother? I don't know. I wish she would move back to England, it is possible. Not logical or pragmatic, I know. He said he is afraid I will eventually resent him for having to leave my family and be so far away.

    So I'm facing the reality. While I feel like I am not that close to my family, as he said it's easy to feel that way until they 10,000 miles away. The only times we are all together is on holidays. I don't have a big family. I have one brother, a sister-in-law, a niece who is married with one child. I have a 32 year old son who is married. He lives an hour and a half away and we love each other but he is a loner and doesn't feel compelled to spend time with me, to be honest. The clincher is he and his wife had a baby in Aug so now I have a grandson that I adore. Another big clincher is my daughter. She is 24 and still lives with me. She and I are very close. If I moved to AUS she would be very unhappy. Yet another clincher is my mother. She is 89 years old and lives alone, my father died about 10 years ago. My brother and my mom are much closer than she and I, but she relies on me. I spend a couple days a week with her, taking her shopping etc. However, on my end it's a strained relationship, that's another story. My brother spends 3 days/week with her. I'm sure he wouldn't be happy with me if I left.

    I have been divorced for 17 years. I had an unhappy marriage. I have had a couple short term relationships since my divorce, nothing serious. I am so ready to find love with a good man, my ex was not a good man. Of course I can't know for certain if I am meant to be with this man in AUS, but like I said I feel right now that I am. And of course there are no guarantees in any relationship. My dilemma is whether or not I could realistically leave my family behind to find out. The ones I am worried about really are my mother and my daughter. I know my mother won't be around forever, but she could live another 5 or 10 years possibly, not likely, but possible. On a side note, my mother left England to move to the US when she was 23, to marry my father. My daughter doesn't like to fly and says she would not come to Australia. But okay she's 24 years old and needs to have her own life. I would not try to stop her if she wanted to go find happiness in another country.

    I am 53 years old. I want to be in a mutually loving and giving relationship, and I believe I could have that with this man. I feel like I have to find out, and I want to find out. Would I be a bad person for putting my own happiness before the needs and emotions of my family? There must be others here who have had to make that decision...would love to hear from you as well.
    Last edited by determined; April 8, 2013, 01:31 PM.

    #2
    I know you are in a different stage of your life than I am but I hope you'll still take my advice because I think this applies to all ages.
    Let's be realistic. You haven't met this man in six years. There is no guarantee it will work out in "real life". Even if you go and visit (I don't know how long this visit is going to be?), it is a very short time to get to know someone. Don't put so much pressure on yourself that after one visit you have reached the point of no return. Give yourself more time. Visit again and try to stay for a while or the other way round if doable and see how it goes

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      #3
      I'm in a semi-permanent LDR because I have a 24 year old daughter. Well, one of the biggest reasons, anyway. As much as I love my guy, and would do almost anything to be with him, I've realized I don't want to move that far from her, we'd both be miserable. Yeah, she's an adult, but she's an adult I like being around, you know? My guy is the only child of a divorced mother, who isn't young anymore, and she kinda needs him around. At first, I thought I'd just move to Finland eventually, but that's not really all that feasible at this time. So, we do this LDR thing. It's not ideal, or convenient, or cheap, but it's what we do to be together. You need to really think carefully about what you're planning, you need to research what it takes to emigrate to AUS, you need to read ex-pat forums, and find out what it's really like and what problems you should expect. Have you even ever visited before? What if you hate it? It would be nice if love could overcome all of our problems, but quite frankly, it can't

      I wouldn't worry so much about moving until I had several visits under my belt. I hate to sound harsh and mean, but I'm not exactly known for sugar coating things around here, but I don't think moving from your children makes you a bad person, though it does make me think it perhaps makes you a selfish one, in some ways. You do need to look at the situation logically and practically though, emotions aren't going to make you be able to move, only a good, solid plan, and time, can make moving happen.
      Our separation of each other is an optical illusion of consciousness. ~Albert Einstein

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        #4
        Thanks kiyama and moon for your responses. I am not looking for sugar coating so moon I appreciate your honesty and especially appreciate your input given you are in a very similar circumstance.

        I know it sounds like I am basing everything on one visit, but I'm really not. I have had six long years to think about this from every angle and also realized that I cannot know anything until we spend time together. I am hoping that our first visit will be a month. Trust me, we know each other very well. We have spent hours and hours and hours talking about everything under the sun. This man is brutally honest and I respect and trust him more than anyone I ever have in my life. Everything works for us but of course it's not the same as in real life, we are both very aware of that. Both of us have been through miserable, failed, in real life relationships and have learned lessons. Neither of us know 100% if we will work in real life, just like any other relationship, in real life or not. He is afraid of being happy when I am with him, so then being unhappy when I am not. I am afraid of that too, but not so afraid as to be willing to pass up those happy times.

        I also love my daughter and would like to be around her and I know she feels the same about me. However, she also wants to move to another country at some point in her future, probably somewhere in Europe. I encourage her to do so because I want her to be happy. I have never been a selfish person. My ex husband was for the most part a non-participant in our relationship and raising our children. The entire time they were growing up, if I wasn't at work, I was with my children. I have always been completely devoted to them. My son is very independent and is making his life based around his wife and child. I admit my daughter is still dependent on me in many ways, and I am on her, however we both need to live our own lives eventually after living together for nearly 25 years so far. We will never not be close emotionally. I feel that love should not be selfish.

        I guess the bottom line is, I am willing to take a chance on getting together and finding we are happy that way and then going from there to figure out a way to make it work. I know we would have a lot of things to work out logistically and that would take time.

        I plan to hang around here quite a bit in the next few months to gain more insight.

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          #5
          My suggestion to you is take your time. I am much like you I believe that love will conquer all and that as long as we are together we can stand against anything. Reality hit me when we first met. Well better said after I got home from seeing him. The truth is neither me or him are ready or economically capable of making the sacrifice that has to be made to close the distance between us. We have children to consider since all of our kids are 14 and younger. We have family to consider and so many other things. Just like you if it were up to me I would be on the phone with him and video chatting with him everyday. We use to do that before we met now we are limited due to responsibilities and other situations with our families. The truth is take it one day at a time and little by little. Meet each other first, see how it goes, visit each other a couple of times see if with each visit the click is still there. Talk to each other, cover every ground there is to cover before jumping into such a major choice as moving. Remember you haven't seen each other in a long amount of time, the great part of this is; you guys get to start over and meet each other like it was the first time. Give it time and things the choices make them between both of you and make sure that everyone fits into them accordingly.

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            #6
            Like others have said - take your time. I know you have known him for six years and have spent a lot of that time getting to know more about each other and talking and such. However, to base everything on one visit seems a little extreme. What if you don't like Australia as much as you hoped you would? What if the guy is great and everything you could hope for, but you want to be back home with your family? I would give it at least a few more visits before declaring you are at the point of no return.

            I wish you the best of luck!
            Joey & Scott
            Met: April 2002
            Lost Contact: August 2002
            Reconnected: April 2010
            Together: May 20th 2010






            [COLOR="#800080"]"Do not anticipate trouble, or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight." Benjamin Franklin

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              #7
              All good advice above ^^. I just want to say welcome to the forum and it's nice to meet someone older here. (No offense to all you young-uns!)
              February 2012 -- met online
              August 2012 -- he said "I love you."
              April 2013 -- met in person
              June 2013 -- broke up
              July 2013 -- back together
              August 2013 -- 2nd visit
              October 20, 2013 -- He proposed!
              April 22, 2014 -- Married/closed the distance!

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                #8
                We're not in similar situations by any means, however I'll give my input anyway :P

                I didn't want to "take my time" or "wait and see". I'm a very impatient person in general and I almost feel I was put in this position when I met my now husband to learn patience. But that didn't work. When he came to visit me, that was the moment we'd decide whether we should pursue a full on relationship or not. We didn't want to remain LDR and we knew our only choice was to get married and have someone move to the other. He chose to move to the US from the UK as I was better off financially. If our first visit didn't go well, we'd part ways. But thankfully it did go well and we began the process for his move. Might sound drastic and extreme but in my then 28 year old mind, if I was ever going to make up my mind about settling down, it was now. And I was lucky enough to find a beautiful, wonderful man to do that with - man I lucked out.

                I know you and your guy have a lot more to lose - we don't have kids and are young enough to make a risky move like we did. However, as the old adage goes, "you only live once" - ick, I refuse to acronymize that saying lol. Your daughter is old enough to live her own life. I don't think you'd be selfish in leaving her if that's where your future led you. When I was in my early 20s, my mother wasn't sure what she wanted anymore and moved to Mexico (with my father's blessing) for a little over a month...she needed to find herself again. And it did her well. I also realized that I couldn't' depend on her all the time...I had to spread my wings as well.

                I wish you lots of luck! 6 years and 10,000 miles...wow - mucho kudos to you woman!

                Met: November 19, 2010
                Tim came to Texas: April 27, 2011
                Made it official: April 29, 2011
                Lori went to England: September 21, 2011
                Mini trip to Paris: September 22, 2011
                Tim popped the question: September 22, 2011
                K-1 Visa approved!: May 21, 2012
                Closed the distance!: July 26, 2012
                Got married: September 22, 2012

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