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    Grrrrr!!!!! Communication Rant

    Hello lovely people,

    Potentially lengthy rant alert....

    So. I'm in the UK. SO is Canadian but currently in Norway. He is crew on a sail training vessel - his mistress - a beautiful fully rigged sail vessel (how can a girl compete with that?). That's how we met - I often crew a similar vessel. We've known each other 19 months. About 4 months of that we spent living and working together on sail vessels. Another month together at his place in Vancouver, several weeks at mine in the UK and the occasional day in a port when ships are in convenient places. We've been beating around the bush for a long time as neither of us wanted to confront the reality of an LDR. However, in May, we spent a week together at my place between sailing together on my vessel for 2 months and him leaving for a long stint with the mistress. During that week we 'manned up' and made it official. Wahoo! And finally exchanged the 'L' word, which I think we'd both silently known was the reality for a while. Wahoo! Then he had to catch a flight 20 minutes later. Not so wahoo....

    He sails the vast majority of the time. I only do it casually (as a volunteer) and am now based back on land, and have just signed a 6 month 9-5 contract. Communication is not possible when he is at sea. Yes, this is annoying, but its a fact of life when sailors are involved and that is fine....nothing we can do about it.

    So that leaves me excitedly refreshing my inbox every 30 seconds when his ship gets into port. And, usually, getting gradually more and more frustrated as the hours tick by and I get....nada. A few weeks ago he got into port and I had almost nothing from him for a couple of days. Port is busy. It doesn't mean off-duty and it doesn't mean automatic internet access. But he was uploading pictures on facebook. So I got a little upset that I'd had so little communication and told him off. Very nicely, though! Told him off and apologised for nagging and for being grumpy. Because I HATE being mad at him. And the last thing I want is for me to just be this nagging internet-based presence that moans at him every time he is on land. I let him know that I was upset that he had time for facebook but not for me and that I needed to feel like a bit more of a priority. We saw each other a couple of weeks later (sailing to the same place on different vessels) for a few hours and he put the effort in to come and see me as much as possible when we were in port. We talked about communication a little and he seemed to understand where I was coming from. That was 2-3 weeks ago. He is now finishing his current contract and will have to fly straight back to Canada from Norway.

    When he was in England in May we had planned that he would come to the UK on a working holiday visa early next year and we would move in together for year. That plan has gone to pot because two fantastic sailing contract possibilities came up for him. Of course I was upset....but also completely supported him going for these contracts - too good an opportunity to miss. So when I left Norway we had no idea which continent he would be on, or when we'd be able to see each other again. But far from keeping me up to date with what is going on I feel like he is completely shutting me out. He got into port two days ago now and has been online for hours. I had two snapchats (so about 6 words) the day before yesterday and now nothing. He has a lot on his pate at the moment, is really busy and (hopefully) enjoying his last few days on board in Norway. But is it too much to ask that I get some time too? I mean, am I being overly needy to want to know which continent he is going to be on, how things are looking for the contracts...perhaps a conversation on what this means for us? It makes me feel pretty unimportant when he has time to upload shedloads of photos online but not to even send me a quick line congratulating me on my new job!

    Last week I sent him a list of all the good things about us and him which I miss and look forward to next time we're together to cheer him up. Wanting to make a positive, romantic gesture. I can't be 100% certain he has seen it but he has had ample opportunity.....I've not had a word back about that either.

    In person, he is great with communication. He starts the serious conversations as often as I do. And he is usually pretty good when hes away, too. But since he left England communication seems to have just taken a major nose dive. Could this even just be him freaking out about our new status? If so I certainly don't want to push him away by nagging him! Its tricky. I love and miss that man so much. And I know he loves me. I really do. But I feel like he just isn't making an effort lately. Since he left the UK he has seemed so emotionally distant. I don't want to nag him. I don't want to feel I have to nag him! I have brought this up once before, only a few weeks ago. But here we are again. With me feeling pretty damn low on his priority list.



    Sorry about the giant rant .... I hope it is vaguely coherent. I'm just going slightly mad over here.....

    #2
    You're upset about his lack of communication... and instead of communicating this to HIM, the only person who could change something about it, you complain about it on an online forum? ... why?

    Communicate your needs and feelings to him. That isn't nagging; it's a healthy part of a relationship.
    first met in 2008 -- started talking online again in 2011 -- decided to go on a date in 2012 -- actually started dating on our first visit in August 2013 --
    second visit in February 2014 -- third visit in June 2014 -- fourth visit in September 2014

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      #3
      I agree with you saying if he has enough time to facebook and upload tons of pictures when he arrives at port, a text here and there letting you know what's going on wouldn't be too hard or too much trouble to do. Especially as to let you know he's okay, and that he is thinking of you etc.

      You say that since he left England he's been acting differently? Maybe he's just trying to find a way to cope with the new status of you as a couple. Guys tend to shut down really quickly when they're unsure how to express their feelings, especially through typing and that's probably why he's better at communicating about things in person with you. Try not to go on at him too much - it might be pushing him away. Like others have said in past threads with others who have had communication problems, say things such as "I feel like we aren't communicating enough when you arrive at port, a text message would be nice to let me know if things are okay with you." Rather than "I think it's unfair YOU'RE able to facebook but NOT text me" - that'll instantly and likely lead them to wanting to put the back-burner on you.

      I don't know your relationship, or your SO but just try to make sure you don't overwhelm him with so many demands for texts especially if he is busy most of the time - in some way it seems him facebooking is his way of winding down and perhaps he just doesn't realise how it's affecting you - hence why you need to tell him how you feel but not in a way that makes him feel like he's being told off. Also, you say you need to know what these contracts mean for your relationship but rather than aim for a text message with a conversation about that, ask for a call like "Hey, I really miss you and it'd be nice to hear your voice. Can we have a call soon? It'd be great to talk to you about your new contracts out loud, and to get a clear view of what's next for us or when we can see each other again in the future. I love you, speak soon." or something along those lines.

      I wish you good luck and I can't imagine how tough it is for you to have to be apart from each other with such little communication. Just keep in there, it's worth it

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        #4
        Anoulie: Because right now, I'm upset and frustrated. We have so few chances to talk when he is working that I don't want the conversations we do have to be negative. I'm just worried that while he is so withdrawn, if I start being negative and placing more demands on his time he may start seeing talking to me as a chore. As JaneEmily was saying....I don't want to go on at him! This is the first time I've ever turned to a forum for something like this. I usually just employ that British stiff upper lip....I told him how it was making me feel a few weeks back....and nothing has changed for the better since doing so. Hence upset and angry. Seemed like a good plan to get some advice before going in there all hot-headed.

        I think you're both right that I do need to find a way to bring this up with him again. I just need to find a positive way of doing it. And at the right time. Just now he is on his last couple of days on the ship for a long time and I don't want to rain on his parade!

        I'm just really struggling with missing him and having so little communication right now. Especially as we're just starting another long separation....potentially up to 10 months this time.... I'm driving myself slightly mad worrying about why he is suddenly so distant and unsure how to fix this.
        Last edited by AsparagusLady; August 10, 2014, 06:51 AM.

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          #5
          If you are struggling that's why you need to tell him instantly how you feel about it. Being scared to tell him because it'll rain on his parade will just make those feelings more unbearable. I've been there with not telling my SO how I've felt about something early on in my relationship and it went on for months, I locked it up - got angry at myself, at him, I resented him for making me feel the way I did about it. The only thing you'll do by not communicating how you feel is by accelerating the feeling of struggling. Tell him how you feel. Be honest.

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            #6
            Don't focus on the Facebook updates. That only makes it seem as though you are checking up on what he does, which, come to think of it, you actually are. It should not matter to you if he reads a book or makes updates for his friends. The reason you are angry is because you miss to hear from him. You want him to follow up on the new relationship status by making sure to be in touch soon. What you need to do, is look at this practically. How can the both of you make good rutines for when he is in port? Don't just tell him how you feel; work together to find solutions.
            I made love to him only twice, she thought and looked at the man laying asleep beside her. And yet still it is as if we have been together forever, as if he has always known my life, my soul, my body, my light, my pain
            - Paulo Coelho, "Eleven minutes"



            "Bız yüzyılın aşkı vardır" - We have dated since Sept. 2013. To see our full story, click here https://members.lovingfromadistance....and-our-visits

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              #7
              Originally posted by Anoulie View Post
              You're upset about his lack of communication... and instead of communicating this to HIM, the only person who could change something about it, you complain about it on an online forum? ... why?

              Communicate your needs and feelings to him. That isn't nagging; it's a healthy part of a relationship.
              If this place isn't here to vent sometimes......I guess most of us should delete our accounts.

              @ AsparagusLady Don't let the fact that he is going to leave soon prevent you from communicating. That is what a relationship is about. CD or LD. Bring it up as nicely as possible and try not to fight. Michelle gives some great advice in her E-book that I will post here.

              Tell them how you feel not what they did. Say how they made you feel. For
              example, “I feel like I’m low priority in your busy life.” Instead of, “You make
              hanging out with me a lower priority than hanging out with your friends.” The
              difference? Using the second sentence is going to make them feel defensive and
              they are only going to argue with you. Telling them how it makes you feel will be
              a lot more effective.
              - Try to find a compromise. Agree on something you’re both comfortable with
              even if it means not getting exactly what either of you want. It’s better than not
              getting what you want at all.

              And on the Facebook thing......I deal with that too except mine hardly ever posts anything. He only has a phone so from my understanding he can appear online and he actually isn't. Which has been true because he has to lock his phone up at work and it has shown up as on Facebook. Yours is different, but like everyone else says maybe he is unwinding. Mine probably uses his to unwind too.

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                #8
                Originally posted by differentcountries View Post
                Don't focus on the Facebook updates. That only makes it seem as though you are checking up on what he does, which, come to think of it, you actually are. It should not matter to you if he reads a book or makes updates for his friends. The reason you are angry is because you miss to hear from him. You want him to follow up on the new relationship status by making sure to be in touch soon. What you need to do, is look at this practically. How can the both of you make good rutines for when he is in port? Don't just tell him how you feel; work together to find solutions.
                I get her point though. See it from this side. You have time to check your facebook, post on friend's posts and updates, but you don't have the time to write a quick "Hi! I just arrived", which takes literally 2 seconds to type, to your girlfriend? If he has only limited time and knows she has asked him to do this before, then there really is no excuse why he did it. It comes to mind, that he could think she would want to chat with him and he has no time, but even then, that is no excuse. When I arrive somewhere when I travel, I shoot my family and him a quick messsage. If I don't have time to talk, I add "I gotta go now" and done. This is not about checking up on what he does, this is about expectations. And I agree, she shouldn't expect him to message her as soon as he arrives, but then again, he shouldn't leave her waiting for days when he knows she is expecting him to message her.

                Talk to him. This is really all you can do.

                Relationship began: 05/22/2012
                First Met: 03/21/2013 - 03/30/2013
                Second Visit: 06/06/2013 - 08/21/2013 ~ Proposal: 07/06/2013 ♥
                Third Visit: 10/09/2013 - 01/08/2013
                Closed the distance: 11/20/2014 ♥
                Married: 1/24/2015
                Became Resident: 9/14/2015

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by AsparagusLady View Post
                  So I got a little upset that I'd had so little communication and told him off. Very nicely, though! Told him off and apologised for nagging and for being grumpy.
                  First mistake.
                  Don't call him out on something and then apologize by saying you're nagging and being grumpy, if you still mean the thing you called him out on. He'll likely assume you were just having a bad day and there's nothing about his behavior he needs to look at. You can certainly apologize for *how* you said something, if you were unnecessarily bitchy to him. But try it with, "Hey, I'm really sorry I was grouchy before, that wasn't fair. But I *do* feel less important/left out/whatever when you X or Y. Can we talk a bit about that?" It sounds like you did at least explain the Facebook issue, which is good. But yeah, don't "take back" your feelings out of fear of being a nag. Instead, find a way to communicate fairly and non-accusatorily, so that you can both be comfortable with things.

                  I don't think you're being unrealistic at all. I think you guys need to talk about it and what you both expect and can reasonably give.
                  Good luck!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by snow View Post
                    I get her point though. See it from this side. You have time to check your facebook, post on friend's posts and updates, but you don't have the time to write a quick "Hi! I just arrived", which takes literally 2 seconds to type, to your girlfriend? If he has only limited time and knows she has asked him to do this before, then there really is no excuse why he did it. It comes to mind, that he could think she would want to chat with him and he has no time, but even then, that is no excuse. When I arrive somewhere when I travel, I shoot my family and him a quick messsage. If I don't have time to talk, I add "I gotta go now" and done. This is not about checking up on what he does, this is about expectations. And I agree, she shouldn't expect him to message her as soon as he arrives, but then again, he shouldn't leave her waiting for days when he knows she is expecting him to message her.

                    Talk to him. This is really all you can do.
                    Agreed. I get on my SO about this a lot because it's really irritating. I completely feel like this when he does it, because it's true. If you have to time to comment on FB/post a status/scroll through your feed, you have time to shoot me a quick "Hey babe!" It's not that hard of a task. Even if you don't have time to talk, it's not that hard to be like, "hey babe, just thinking of you, we'll talk later" or something along those lines.

                    You need to talk to him about it.

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                      #11
                      Just what comes to my mind. Guys don't always understand our needs and they don't think "hey, why don't I write a quick note to her since it's only going to take 2 seconds".
                      This is not exactly the same thing but I've told my SO that it's really really important to me to hear from him if just a few lines. But he doesn't realize how it could be an issue. Even when my SO was sick in the spring (heart problems) there were afternoons when I waited for him to tell me that he is alive (!). I was worried to death but when he finally replied to my messaged it was like "Don't worry so much, everything is okay". What I mean is that he might not think it's such a big deal if all of the rest of your relationship has been going wonderfully and you've been able to arrange time together and make plans. That he is not purposedly ignoring you, he just can't see communication as important as you. I know I have talked to my SO about this several times and I can't imagine going to bed without sending him a note or waking up without sending him a note but he won't do it always. He might say the next day that he had a terrible night and he couldn't sleep and he was missing me but still, no message. So, don't take it too seriously at this point but of course for your own peace of mind, let him tell you how things are.

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                        #12
                        Thank you all for your advice. It is really appreciated.

                        A few hours after posting I had a text from the lovely sailor himself, a very pleasant surprise indeed (first one in months)! It transpired that he was, in fact, in the UK. He was flying back from Norway home to Canada that very day and stuck at Heathrow for 18hrs due to a missed connection (Bertha). Needless to say, I was a little upset at being so out of the loop I didn't even know when he was leaving the continent.

                        So I took your advice - broached the topic and told him how I was feeling. It was late and he'd evidently fallen asleep by the time I'd typed the message.....I didn't get a reply until late afternoon the next day, at which point the topic was skirted and small talk was made. But when I brought up the message I'd sent the night before he was understanding and thanked me for bringing it up (??) and I said we should talk about it properly soon (he was about to board the plane). So his improved communications involved actually letting me know he got to Canada safely (one great leap for mankind...even if it was at 3.40am) and then a quick message at lunchtime on Tuesday once he'd got home and slept. And its since been all silence on the Western front for 48hrs since. He suggested a video call when he got home (unusual as he hates them and he brought it up!) which is hopefully a good sign and we've yet to actually have a conversation about the communication issue so I guess I'll just have to see how things develop over the next couple of days.

                        Unfortunately at the moment I just really can't shake the feeling that something isn't right. There was no hint of 'I'm sorry you felt that way', no 'I love you too' or anything like it when we were talking as he left. He used to tell me he missed me pretty regularly. And has always sent me the loveliest messages as he is leaving. Gods, someone tell me I'm being insanely paranoid and this seeming withdrawal is just man-reaction to tiredness / coping with stress and distance?

                        *Runs off and collapses into a bubble bath with Mr Darcy*

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                          #13
                          Yes, guys are like that. His work sounds exhausting, probably he misses sleep more than you right now. Dont worry, your guy just thanked you for critisizing him, he thinks highly of you.

                          I have used months trying to explain to my SO that I want to know details of what is going on, he is slowly getting the hang of it. I must also adjust to not thinking he is trying to be mysterious or manipulative, it just means he is tired and unfocused.
                          I made love to him only twice, she thought and looked at the man laying asleep beside her. And yet still it is as if we have been together forever, as if he has always known my life, my soul, my body, my light, my pain
                          - Paulo Coelho, "Eleven minutes"



                          "Bız yüzyılın aşkı vardır" - We have dated since Sept. 2013. To see our full story, click here https://members.lovingfromadistance....and-our-visits

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                            #14
                            Clearly his job is exhausting but I would also listen to my intuition. It's great that he let you know he arrived safely and then messaged again but it also sounds like he still doesn't want to approach the topic of not connecting/communicating. To me, thanking a person for bringing up the issue of not communicating isn't thanking you for criticizing them. It's passing the topic off in a fake-front of "I'll get on that". The video call sounds like a great opportunity and your thoughts on how to approach/seeing how things develop in the coming days is really all you can do, I suppose.
                            When two hearts are meant for each other, no distance is too far,
                            no time is too long, and no other love can break them apart.

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                              #15
                              I kind of read it as a 'thanks for being honest about how you felt'. He knows I can't stand confrontation of any form and am stupidly uncomfortable bringing up something I'm not happy about with someone. So it may well have been a 'thanks for being honest about this even though you probably hated bringing it up'.
                              The job is exhausting beyond belief. We did it together for quite a long time and I've done it without him too, and the sleep/work pattern and physical graft do mess with your brain a bit. He has been home for three days now. But in fairness is probably being run ragged by family as they haven't seen him for 6 months.

                              AsparagusLady has had a nice relaxing bath and is trying to think things through rationally instead of *I miss you, why aren't you talking to me, panic*. He has some big decisions to make about work soon enough, and needs to drop the bombshell to the parents about the girlfriend on the other side of the world at some point soon. So he is probably torturing himself because he is bloody impossible when he has decisions to make. He probably just has more than two things on his mind right now and is therefore in meltdown and biologically incapable of processing 'must talk to wonderful, amazing girlfriend today'. He just can't focus on more than one thing at a time (except the magic combination of computer+TV+food). I think I just need to try and be patient (not my forte), and give him some more time to settle and get himself sorted out.

                              Now why could I not just have come to that conclusion a week ago rather than tormenting myself?! XD

                              Also "your guy just thanked you for critisizing him, he thinks highly of you" .... favorite quote of the week!

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