Seatbelts on planes...?

[Kiyama]

I also think it would be really exhausting to stand for such a long time. Even short flights take about and hour. Well ok, I guess that should be alright. And I agree that there should be seat belts in buses

I'd have more of a problem with charging for going to the bathroom. That is super rude to customers in my opinion. Then people would start charging in restaurants soon. I can't see a difference there.

[Haley53]

I agree. There should be seatbelts on buses too and trains too. The thing about the planes are, who cares if the accident happens when landing or taking off? It is still hundreds if not thousands of feet in the air. That seat belt could be the difference between life and death.

thats what I was thinking my only downside of this would be my flights usually last around 9 hours and there's no way I'd be able to stand that long, that and I'm curious as to how much space the standers will be given, sure it said the last 10 rows but how many people could they cram in that area? I don't want to be packed in like sardines.

But more people die annually in cars wearing their seatbelt than people do in planes, whether the accident happens with the seatbelt sign on or off... Plane accidents happen, but they're incredibly rare, though I will say that I can understand the seatbelt might play the same role as it does in any car, bus, train etc. if it were to get into that bad of an accident.

And true. I usually tend to plop down and sit if I'm standing for more than an hour, or if it looks like I'm going to have to. I didn't think about how they might pack in everyone like sardines. D: That would be miserably uncomfortable!

[Hollandia]

But more people die annually in cars wearing their seatbelt than people do in planes, whether the accident happens with the seatbelt sign on or off... Plane accidents happen, but they're incredibly rare, though I will say that I can understand the seatbelt might play the same role as it does in any car, bus, train etc. if it were to get into that bad of an accident.

And true. I usually tend to plop down and sit if I'm standing for more than an hour, or if it looks like I'm going to have to. I didn't think about how they might pack in everyone like sardines. D: That would be miserably uncomfortable!

I don't care how "rare" they are. If you are standing around on a plane that crash lands, you are most likely going to die. If you have a seat/seatbelt you have a chance to survive. I am not a gambling women, especially with my life. BTW, many of those car deaths are a result of DWI, this is not something that is supposed to EVER be a possible factor for air travel.

What they really need to do, is to create "Safety Foam" from the movie "Demolition Man". LOL. Then you could stand, kneel, sit or jump and you would most likely be fine.

[Hollandia]

I also think it would be really exhausting to stand for such a long time. Even short flights take about and hour. Well ok, I guess that should be alright. And I agree that there should be seat belts in buses

I'd have more of a problem with charging for going to the bathroom. That is super rude to customers in my opinion. Then people would start charging in restaurants soon. I can't see a difference there.

They do charge for most public restrooms in much of Europe. It is considered a courtesy to the patrons only to not pay for the use of the restrooms in restaurants. I think the US should enact this too. It could help to keep our taxes down and pay for important things like keeping enough police and fire fighters on the streets and enough teachers in the schools.

[lucybelle]

They do charge for most public restrooms in much of Europe. It is considered a courtesy to the patrons only to not pay for the use of the restrooms in restaurants. I think the US should enact this too. It could help to keep our taxes down and pay for important things like keeping enough police and fire fighters on the streets and enough teachers in the schools.

Ummmm.......??? jejeje

There's no way in the world not paying for bathrooms raises taxes. Or keeps firefighters out of jobs or teachers out of schools.

When you pay to use the bathroom you're paying for the "clean" factor. To the business. Not the government. Not to keep down taxes. . .

[kteire]

Knowing Ryanair it'll be £1 for the standing ticket with a £24 'admin fee' for it!! That company shouldn't be allowed to function, they are such criminals. I've flown with them plenty of times and I would rather shoot myself in the foot and pay 4 times the fare than fly with them again!!

He's been talking about standing flights for ages, and I don't think the law will be changed anytime soon to allow for that. If there's one plane you don't want to be on without a seat, it's one operated by Ryanair. What would they do for things like oxygen masks?!

/rant

[Hollandia]

Ummmm.......??? jejeje

There's no way in the world not paying for bathrooms raises taxes. Or keeps firefighters out of jobs or teachers out of schools.

When you pay to use the bathroom you're paying for the "clean" factor. To the business. Not the government. Not to keep down taxes. . .

Come on?
You don't believe that do you?

How much do you think it costs to clean a bathroom? If all the funds went to a high interest earning savings account and was allocated correctly it could most definitely help, though they will never actually do it.

I know what they are being used for now, but they could be used in so many more productive ways. I went to a festival in the park and it had thousands of people there. The porta a potties were all 50cent a use. The lines were non stop and they most have had at least 30 port a potties. I am pretty sure they made a tidy( no pun intended, but still funny, tidy-bowl anyone? ) little profit on the "cleaning" of those bad boys.

[kteire]

Come on?
You don't believe that do you?

How much do you think it costs to clean a bathroom? If all the funds went to a high interest earning savings account and was allocated correctly it could most definitely help, that that they would every actually do it.

I know what they are being used for now, but they could be used in so many more productive ways. I went to a festival in the park and it had thousands of people there. The porta a potties were all 50cent a use. The lines were non stop and they most have had at least 30 port a potties. I am pretty sure they made a tidy little profit on the "cleaning" of those bad boys.

I agree with lucybelle... there's not exactly a big profit to be made to solve problems out of charging for toilets!!

Bear in mind that while the cost of cleaning a bathroom is quite low, you have to pay someone a salary to clean it! And probably more than one person. I don't really think that everyone having to pay 40 cents to use a toilet is going to solve any problems.

[kteire]

Also all this talk of taxing toilets is just reminding me of Urinetown - It's a privilege to pee!

[lyonsgirl]

Lololol. I find it rather amusing that the thread started as seatbelts... and now it's turned to toilets.

[Hollandia]

I agree with lucybelle... there's not exactly a big profit to be made to solve problems out of charging for toilets!!

Bear in mind that while the cost of cleaning a bathroom is quite low, you have to pay someone a salary to clean it! And probably more than one person. I don't really think that everyone having to pay 40 cents to use a toilet is going to solve any problems.

That is the whole thing. They are already paying somebody to clean them. We manage to get ours cleaned here and don't charge a penny for them. I would be curious how low that profit really is. Bear in mind that is 5o Euro cents so about .63 cents for a dollar. I am sure we could round up to .75 cents easily. The change making would be easier that way. LOL.

I also don't think it would FIX the problems, but every penny helps. I run my own business and every dollar in helps to pay for those that have to come out. You are talking about monies that are free to obtain. The toilets are already being maintained so the out is already happening. This would simply be pure profit. The same thing occurred when they raised the rates of doc fee( like a tax) for autos for much of the Delmarva area. It cost not a penny extra but brought in pure profit. Give me any kind of pure profit any day of the week.

[Hollandia]

Lololol. I find it rather amusing that the thread started as seatbelts... and now it's turned to toilets.

Some might say because that is what this airline is really.

[lademoiselle]

I'd never go for this. I'm not sure if I'm overestimating the risk or it's purely psychological, but I'd rather take my chances standing in a bus on the ground than on a plane several hundred miles above it!

[Haley53]

I don't care how "rare" they are. If you are standing around on a plane that crash lands, you are most likely going to die. If you have a seat/seatbelt you have a chance to survive. I am not a gambling women, especially with my life. BTW, many of those car deaths are a result of DWI, this is not something that is supposed to EVER be a possible factor for air travel.

What they really need to do, is to create "Safety Foam" from the movie "Demolition Man". LOL. Then you could stand, kneel, sit or jump and you would most likely be fine.

Actually there are a lot of deaths that happen, at least in the U.S., that don't involve alcohol at all. :/

Also, I'm not sure how I stand on the issue of charging for toilets. We don't really have public restrooms the same way, say, London did when I was in over. In Dublin,
I could use public restrooms in park and playground areas for free and that's similar to how it is here. Some places, such as libraries and some book stores, will let you use their restrooms for free. Others only let you use restrooms with a purchase. Seeing as it's the businesses putting money into cleaning free toilets, at least here in my area, I'm not sure how it's costing the government anything (therefore, not sure how the government/state would benefit) seeing as businesses typically hire people to clean the restrooms. All I can say is I think it's a courtesy if I'm dining or hanging out somewhere that I have somewhere free to eliminate. I suppose it wouldn't be any different than charging for food items or water (establishments have to provide water, for example, but not all do it for free) but I guess I'd see a restaurant or library charging for bathroom use, when there are certain restrictions for using those bathrooms to begin with (cost of the meal, actually utilising library facilities and asking for a key, etc.) as cheap and downright stingy. I also don't agree that I should have to pay for restroom use on a plane ride I shelled out a grand or more for.

[Hollandia]

Actually there are a lot of deaths that happen, at least in the U.S., that don't involve alcohol at all. :/

Also, I'm not sure how I stand on the issue of charging for toilets. We don't really have public restrooms the same way, say, London did when I was in over. In Dublin,
I could use public restrooms in park and playground areas for free and that's similar to how it is here. Some places, such as libraries and some book stores, will let you use their restrooms for free. Others only let you use restrooms with a purchase. Seeing as it's the businesses putting money into cleaning free toilets, at least here in my area, I'm not sure how it's costing the government anything (therefore, not sure how the government/state would benefit) seeing as businesses typically hire people to clean the restrooms. All I can say is I think it's a courtesy if I'm dining or hanging out somewhere that I have somewhere free to eliminate. I suppose it wouldn't be any different than charging for food items or water (establishments have to provide water, for example, but not all do it for free) but I guess I'd see a restaurant or library charging for bathroom use, when there are certain restrictions for using those bathrooms to begin with (cost of the meal, actually utilising library facilities and asking for a key, etc.) as cheap and downright stingy. I also don't agree that I should have to pay for restroom use on a plane ride I shelled out a grand or more for.

So, how many people die every year from drunk deaths? Actually the number is quite high. According to the statistics from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration 40 percent of total traffic deaths are due to drunk driving. In 2006, an estimated 17,941 people died due to alcohol-related vehicle accidents.

Although people are aware that it is wrong and illegal to drink and drive, they still get behind the wheel of their cars while being drunk. In fact, this more often seen in youngsters under the age of 24 and drink driving accidents are the major cause of death in this group.

Here are some figures on how many people die every year from drunk driving accidents:

In the US, one person is killed every 39 minutes by a drunk driver.
Everyday 36 people die and nearly 700 are injured due to accidents caused by drunk drivers.
Nearly half of all teenage fatalities are caused due to drunk driving.
More males than females drive while intoxicated. According to statistics around 81 percent of all drunk drivers are men.
In 2007, alcohol-related deaths were 15, 387, which is approximately 37 percent of deaths that occurred in the United States.
The top five states with the highest number of alcohol-related deaths are Texas, Florida, Illinois, California and Pennsylvania.
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I never said there was not other non related deaths, but you are comparing apples to oranges. I hate it when people try to use that stat. When I drive(sober, all the time, LOL) I am in control of my own destiny more. If I choose to neglect that aspect it would be my fault. Defensive driving can prevent many accidents if people would only follow the guidelines. Even if I am not the driver I can usually give some input as a passenger much more than a air passenger. Texting while driving, talking on a cell phone, eating and playing with the radio or your hair causes many accidents that are not a factor for air travel as well.

As far as the paid toilets are concerned. Each country is different. Up until a few years ago, most of the US would give you a free glass of water. Not as easy to find in some cities now. Even for tap water. The fact that people are so against such a small fee is telling in itself. That 1000 dollar ticket might end up being a bit less and for short flights I try never to even use them.